Donald Trump said that he doesn’t have pronouns and was then asked if he is “gender fluid” in an interview with Laura Ingraham last night, where he rambled incoherently on a variety of topics, including the opening ceremony of the Olympics. He also claimed that Christians “never vote” in the U.S.
Ingraham, who is known for her far-right and anti-LGBTQ+ views, started ranting about how Vice President Kamala Harris has her pronouns in her social media bio, a common practice among LGBTQ+ people and progressives to show solidarity with trans people.
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“Kamala Harris and her Twitter bio, which I never noticed until this morning, states her pronouns as she-slash-her,” Ingraham said with disgust. “What are your pronouns?”
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“I have no- I don’t want pronouns,” Trump said. “I don’t want pronouns.”
“So you’re fluid? What is that?” Ingraham asked.
“Nobody even knows what that means,” Trump said defensively. “Gender fluid” means that a person doesn’t have a single, unchanging gender identity.
“Ask her to describe exactly what that means,” Trump told Ingraham.
Ingraham also asked Trump about the Olympic opening ceremony from this past weekend, which outraged many Christian conservatives for its supposed depiction of Leonardo da Vinci’s “The Last Supper” with drag queens, which they claimed mocked Christianity. The performance was, in reality, a reference to Greek mythology, where a queen whose outfit drew inspiration from depictions of Apollo was confused with Jesus, and no one was sitting around a table like in da Vinci’s painting. Moreover, it was a drag performance created by drag performers; portraying something in drag is not an insult in that context.
“It was a disgrace,” Trump said, not explaining why or showing that he understood why conservatives were upset at the performance. “I thought that the opening ceremony was a disgrace, actually. I thought it was a disgrace.”
“The mocking of ‘The Last Supper,’” Ingraham chimed in, perhaps to get Trump to say anything specific about what happened several days prior.
“I thought it was a disgrace,” Trump repeated.
“Catholics and Christians across the globe are outraged,” Ingraham insisted.
“I mean, they can do certain things, I thought it was terrible,” Trump said.
Whatever he said next was edited out, and the video cuts to Ingraham trying once again to get Trump to say anything about the Olympic opening ceremony that shows he knows what happened: “Will you say that at the next Olympics there won’t be- you’ll have enough influence on the organizers that we won’t be, you know, insulting Christians?
“We won’t be having a ‘Last Supper’ as portrayed the way they portrayed it the other night,” Trump said. “I’m very open-minded, but I thought what they did was a disgrace.”
Ingraham also asked Trump about his comments that, if he wins this year, people won’t have to vote again in 2028, which he made while speaking at an event hosted by the conservative Christian organization Turning Point Action. Democrats have called attention to the statement, saying that it implies that Trump plans to suspend elections in 2028.
Ingraham asked him about that statement and he said that he could explain it.
“I had a tremendous crowd, speaking to Christians all- I mean, this was a crowd that liked me a lot,” Trump said. “I think I’m at 97% or something. And they’re treated very badly by this administration, OK? Catholics are treated unbelievably, they’re like persecuted.”
He provided no examples of such persecution, and the Biden administration is led by a devout Catholic, President Joe Biden himself. Instead, Trump started about Israel – saying American Jewish people should “have their heads examined” if they vote for Harris – before getting back to his statement.
“That statement is very simple, I said, vote for me, you’re not gonna have to do it ever again, it’s true,” Trump said. “Because we have to get the vote out.”
“Christians are not known as a big voting group,” he continued. “They don’t vote! And I’m explaining that to them, you never vote. This time vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote anymore, I won’t need you to vote, you can go back…”
It’s untrue that Christians don’t vote in U.S. elections. In fact, most people who vote in the U.S. identify as Christian – CNN’s 2020 exit poll found that 68% of all voters identified as Catholic or “Protestant/Other Christian,” and only 22% of voters identified with “no religious affiliation.”
Ingraham tried to get him to actually clarify his statement – instead of doubling down – and Trump then brought up gun owners and said that they also never vote.
She interrupted him again to try to get him back on track: “Just to be clear, what you’re saying though, you’re not saying- It’s being interpreted, as you are not surprised to hear, by the left as, well, ‘They’re never going to have another election! He’s saying there’s a…’”
“So, can you even just respond to that?” Ingraham said.
“I started off by saying, just so you understand, you never vote,” Trump said. “Christians do not vote. Well, they vote in very small percentages. Why? I don’t know. Maybe they’re disappointed in things that are happening, but for a long time, I say, you don’t vote. I’m saying, go out, you must vote, November 5th is gonna be the most important election in the history of our country. Whether you vote early or not, we should have, by the way, one-day voting, we should have voter ID, we should have proof of citizenship, and we should have paper ballots, OK? That’s what we should- but we don’t have that! But I said to the Christians in the room, thousands of them, I said, typically, Christians do not vote. Why it is, I don’t know, you’re rebellious, something’s going on, don’t worry about the future, vote or- You have to vote on November 5th. After that, you don’t have to worry about voting anymore, I don’t care, because we’re going to fix- The country will be fixed and we won’t even need your vote anymore because frankly, we will have such love if you don’t want to vote anymore that’s OK.”
“And I think everybody understood it.”
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