Mona Fastvold was brought up with secular values, so it might seem abit surprising to compare the writer/director’s tenacity to that of the enigmatic 18th-century spiritual leader Ann Lee. Yet, stumbling across the story of the Mancunian “mother” of the Shakers, the Norway-born, New York-based filmmaker found asubject whose leadership qualities resonated with the ways in which she herself shapes the atmosphere on her film sets: with compassion, kindness and acollaborative spirit.
Alongside her writing (and life) partner, Brady Corbet, Fastvold co-wrote one of 2024’s defining films, The Brutalist. As the pair continue to delve into the specific environments that shape belief, identity and craft traditions – and with composer Daniel Blumberg in tow once more – The Testament of Ann Lee emerges as atechnical and musical marvel; an intricate nesting doll of genres that, quite literally, shakes and trembles with emotion, fragility and vigour.
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LWLies: I’m curious about your first encounter with Ann Lee. What was it about the story of the Shakers that felt inherently cinematic toyou?
Fastvold: The Shakers worship through ecstatic song and dance, and Iwas really excited to get to dig into movement again. Iwas reading about their early worship meetings, hundreds of people in asmall townhouse in Manchester dancing and shaking and moving… Ihad such strong images coming to me. The story just begged it to be avery musical, movement-based piece, and that was truly cinematic. Then, of course, there’s the Shaker architecture and design, which became the cornerstone of American design. So much draws aline back to that. There’s nothing more gorgeous than these incredible buildings that they built and objects that they created. So it was so exciting to move from that wild, chaotic, intoxicating beginning to this beautifully simple, synchronised, balanced aesthetic end of itall.
Spatiality is abig player, and in some ways even parallel to what you explored in The Brutalist. Can you say more about how the Shaker material culture influenced the film’s visual grammar?
It’s funny because we didn’t feel like these two projects were particularly linked when we were writing them, but then when we started making Ann Lee, we were like, Iguess we have this obsession with chairs? [Laughs.] Of course there are alot of conversations about faith in The Brutalist as well, so they are speaking to each other, and they are both about American design as well. Shakerism has shaped design all the way to Ikea, which is inspired by Shaker furniture in its simplicity. But that’s like afast fashion kind of version of furniture, right? And that’s the opposite of Shakerism. They were trying to create things that were functional, simple, beautiful and would last for ever, and trying to perfect that. For them, creating an object or abuilding was another form of worship, another form of prayer. Ihave this quote in the film where Ann Lee says, ‘Do all your work as though you had athousand years to live, and as you would if you knew you must die tomorrow,’ and it’s about this really profound thing of anything you do, you just put all your love and care into it. It’s an offering.
I’m sure that’s something you can relate to as afilmmaker.
Absolutely. There’s alittle bit of madness in wanting to work this hard on something, dedicate 15, 16hours aday, have everyone be extremely uncomfortable and push further and further to try to perfect this thing so that it will exist. It’s abit of amadness. What drives you to do that? What kind of faith is that? Iwas raised in asecular household, Iwasn’t raised with abelief system. But there is something about that that Iwanted to investigate and understand better.
Did that Shaker spirit seep into the collaborative process?
Every. Single. Day. For all of us, and in everything that we did. My production designer, Sam Bader, and my cinematographer, William Rexer, we all just felt so inspired by their work ethic. You couldn’t just put an object that’s not beautiful or beautifully crafted in your frame, there had to be thought put into it. That spirit just bled into what we were doing, and everyone really went on that journey.
There’s something about embracing the discipline and process of shooting on film and pursuing adevotional craftsmanship, even if it’s not convenient, that mirrors that spirit too.
We were returning to alot of analogue techniques. It felt right for the story, but also I’m really excited by it and Ithink it’s really beautiful. All the drawings in the film are inspired by Shaker drawings and were hand-painted and shot on film. All of the credits were hand-painted and shot on film, but then also the VFX and set extensions were hand-painted on glass and married to the image. Usually, digital matte painters do the set extensions. Here, it’s all done by hand by this beautiful artist, Leigh Took, using an old technique that people don’t really use much any more. Everything is analogue. And Leigh Took’s studio is my dream! He does beautiful model work. He worked with Tim Burton alot earlier in his career.
I was really excited about bringing back traditional matte paintings on glass because Iwas watching Age of Innocence and they have these beautiful wide shots of New York that are clearly matte paintings, and even though there’s this artificiality to it, it’s apainterly artificiality. Obviously, Iknew Icouldn’t build New York or Manchester, but Iknew Ihad to either do it digitally or organically, and Iwas so excited to do it this way. Then, marrying the picture with my image that Ishot on film, and then printing it on film, then scanning it back in… It’s avery lengthy process, but it’s also wonderful because it’s adirect line.
The film is shot on 35mm and projected on 70mm. Considering the ambition of this project, did the physical limitation of film rolls affect the rhythm of your shoots?
Not at all. Iwanted to shoot on 35mm and not on alarger format because Iwanted to work with lighter cameras for all of the movement work. Sometimes Ifind it incredibly beautiful that acamera is heavy and has aweight to it, but for this, lightness was so important. The celluloid wasn’t alimitation. I’ve never been aperson who rolls and rolls endlessly. And, you know, digital costs money too, and you spend alot of time in the grade afterwards because you come back with araw image. Ifeel it changing now actually. Alot of people are gravitating towards film. Idon’t think one is better than the other, they’re just different. For me and Brady [Corbet], the reason we’re so on the soapbox about celluloid is to protect it. We don’t want to lose that tool from the toolbox. We need to make sure that all the tools are available. I’m really interested in modern technology, and I’m really interested in old technology, and whatever is the best tool to tell the story, and to paint the picture, that’s what I’lluse.
It’s interesting to think about the film’s shape. It’s not quite abiopic, not quite amusical. Did you always envision it as such? What are your thoughts on genre and that type of compartmentalisation?
I always tend to write in away that defies the genre that I’m in. If you’re too comfortable in the story, if you see the first five minutes of amovie and have agood sense of what the last five minutes are going to be like, that’s not so exciting to me, even if it’s really beautifully done. Filmmaking is anew medium compared to, say, literature. If you pick up even an airport novel or something, it can often be more radical in its narrative structure than almost 99 per cent of all movies. When Iwrite, Ifollow more of adream logic. That’s the space that Ilike to be inside of, and therefore Iintentionally like to take adetour with another character and then return to the narrative, or have acharacter appear without necessarily introducing them and maybe they will take up more space than you thought that they initially would. It’s exciting to challenge that abit. That being said, with Ann Lee Iwanted to follow amore traditional structure because Iknew that the movement and the music were going to be so radical. Iknew that it couldn’t be atraditional musical because we weren’t going to straight-up sing dialogue.